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Completion Time under 1 minute ... I don't think so
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fizzbut




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Posted at 11:11 AM on February 23, 2007
Good idea Doug. I've come to believe there will be problems with any scoring system. The biggest one being keeping the "cheating" out, and that's not just people who cheat on purpose. With the current layout, if # of attempts were posted, someone could practice before they log on and then log on and post a fast time. That could be done on purpose or by accident by just forgetting to log on until you realize your times haven't posted.

Hopefully on the plus side, Adam has said some changes are coming in March. I'm looking forward to seeing if they will improve some of these concerns that keep being mentioned.

Also, for each game you can click "View all statistics for this puzzle" and see who has the fastest first times and average times. Although for today Vivien has the fastest average time and as near as I can tell she hasn't played yet today.

Pawan Sahay




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Posted at 9:36 PM on March 28, 2007
I dont really understand what is the buzz all about.The guys who are completing the game under 1 minute are surely cheating.and one way to do that is while the page is loading and as soon as the puzzle comes, u stop ure browser, finish the puzzle and and then hit go.u will complete your puzzle in 0 minutes and get a high ranking.but thats not fun and people who are doing it here ought to take a hike.

zunshiner




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Posted at 10:22 PM on March 28, 2007
I would not say that I am a fast solver. There are surely people who can solve the puzzle much faster than I do. But even I can solve some puzzles in 1:40 or less (and that does mean seeing the puzzle for the first time and try to solve it immediately without any stopping the browser – don’t even know how this should work). Solving times under 1 minute are surely possible for some puzzles – maybe not the hard ones, but the easy ones. Not for me, but for some faster players.

fizzbut




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Posted at 10:50 AM on March 29, 2007
Ah yes. The one minute barrier is back again.
According to my figures there isn't a puzzle on this site that doing it in 1 minute is as fast as 20 words a minute typing. (I can do that on an old typewriter with sticky keys).
As far as 0 sec. times that strikes me as impossible. If you can "stop" the browser and finish the puzzle still recording your moves but not the time, it would hope Adam could addressed that.

Pawan is right. Where's the fun in cheating. Those who do will probably leave or stop out of boredom if nothing else.

J. Hurlbut




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Posted at 11:13 PM on March 29, 2007
I have no problem believing there are people that can do some of the puzzles under a minute. I am very methodical in my solving methods and I finally managed to do one under 2 minutes! I know that some people have the ability to "see" solutions much quicker than I do by glancing at rows, columns and squares and quickly "seeing" which numbers are missing. I often have to do a quick count for the information. Sometimes I can improve my score by using the order suggested by others and sometimes I get my best scores using my own methods. ???? Our minds all work differently! I guess there will always be cheaters, that's life. Those of us who don't cheat cannot understand them getting any satisfaction from their ranking nor their need to cheat in order to be best. Adam has done what he can to weed them out - hopefully fizzbut is right and they will lose interest and move on.

zunshiner




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Posted at 11:51 PM on March 29, 2007
I dont think there are many cheaters in the Top100. This requires not only good cheating, but even more it requires time and stamina.

scottee




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Posted at 10:47 PM on April 10, 2008
Yes, it is possible to solve puzzles in under a minute on the first try. On a lot of the puzzles in the recent months, I've been only attempting them once, and seeing how good of times I can get. Thought the main reason is I just don't want to spend a lot of time in my day playing sudoku. The ones recently that I've attempted more than once were usually not on the same day, but after I've seen that my first time was not that good. Then I go back and try harder on that one.

And in some of the earlier puzzles, people getting really fast times by multiple attempts (myself included), doesn't have to be by writing down the answer and cheating. By just doing a puzzle more than once successively, you start to remember what numbers you looked for first, or what areas you did first the last time. That speeds it up greatly. Is that still a form of cheating? Probably. I think the best scoring system would probably be no two attempts within 12 or 24 hours of each other, or something like that.

And as regards to the 0 second times, I've gotten a couple of those. It was times that my browser (firefox) froze after loading, so the timer never stopped, but I could do the puzzle. It records the time as 0 upon completion, and then my browser can't go to another page, so I have to close and open it again. Maybe Adam can put something in to automatically discount 0 second times.

And it's not hard to type super fast for these. I just always have my right hand on my mouse, and my left hand on the number keypad at the right side of the keyboard. If you've ever done any computations, you should have that keypad memorized. Then you never have to look at the keyboard.

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